REGULAR MEETING OF THE EATON PLANNING

ZONING AND BUILDING BOARD ON JULY 12, 2005

AT 7:00 P.M., IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS

The Eaton Planning, Zoning and Building Board met in regular session in Council Chambers on Tuesday, July 12, 2005, at 7:00 p.m.

The roll was called and the following were found to be:

Present: Ron Coleman

Stanley Spencer

Tim Lane

Harold Geeting

Gary Wagner

Tom Jordan

Absent: Steve Deffner

Also in attendance were City Manager Dave Daily, City Engineer Joe Ferriell and Law Director Donnette Fisher. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m.

MINUTES:

The minutes of the June 14, 2005 meeting were read. A motion to approve the minutes was made by Harold Geeting and Ron Coleman seconded. The motion passed as follows:

Ayes: Coleman, Spencer, Lane, Geeting, Jordan (5)

Abstain: Wagner (1)

SWEARING IN:

There was no one present in the audience to speak at the Public Hearings.

Z-05-01 – Zoning Amendment – Public Hearing – City of Eaton – Chapters 1101, 1103 and 1105 of the new UDO:

Jordan: We will need a motion to untable this application.

Geeting: So move.

Lane: Second

Motion passed as follows:

Ayes: Coleman, Spencer, Lane, Geeting, Wagner, Jordan (6)

Nays: None

Jordan: It is now untabled and a Public Hearing, Donnette.

Fisher: Chapter 1101 was the General Provisions, did anyone have anything to discuss on this?

If nothing on that then Chapter 1103, Definitions, I did make one modification. On page 12, “Dwelling or Dwelling Unit,” I made the different types of dwellings units as subsections under “Dwelling or Dwelling Unit,” rather than to have them separate.

Wagner: What change did you make?

Fisher: On page 12, #97. Throughout the code we used the word “Dwelling” a lot, but there are too many different types of dwellings. We had them all defined separately. For the sake of clarity, if you are reading back here on page 149 and it says “Dwelling” and you look in definitions, there is “Dwellings,” but the different types are broken out and subsections are added and listed as individual definitions.

Wagner: Your changes are as they are intended here on this page 97?

Fisher: The only thing I have changed is #97 on page12, and I made the types of dwelling units subsections.

Daily: What Gary is asking is if he has a corrected copy?

Fisher: Sure.

Jordan: Is everyone okay with the way she changed that? We approve your change.

Fisher: Did anyone have anything else in 1103, in Definitions? If not, Chapter 1105, there were several changes made that I listed on your sheet to reflect the decision to have Council make the final determination on Certificates of Appropriateness. On page 37, 1105.05 (b), the Historic District Board responsibilities, it was put that they make recommendations and I added “or City Council, as appropriate,” on (2). On 1105.05 (b) (1) I added, and “make recommendations to Council on the issuance of Certificates.” Before they decided it themselves.

On page 39, small modifications were made to the duties and responsibilities of Council #3 was added, was modified to show that Council acts upon the recommendations, that they will be making the final decisions on Certificates of Appropriateness.

One other change that I made that was listed on your sheet from the last time we went over this, page 41, “Enforcement and Penalties,” I added subsection (e), “Rights Reserved to the City.” “The City shall have the right to deny approval of any plats, development plans or construction plans that do not comply with the provisions, requirements and /or standards of the UDO.” Basically, if anywhere in here it says, the City Engineer shall review or Planning Board shall make a decision, this specifically states that we have a right to deny approval of anything until things are brought into compliance, which we didn’t have in there before.

Anyone have any issues with modifications?

Coleman: I have one. I think we ought to talk about page 39, that dish satellite thing, $25.00. Are we against the dish and not against the cable here? They can come in and put a cable in and we don’t charge them $25 to check the cable out. Should we charge them to check the cable out if we are going to charge to check the dish out?

Fisher: The cable is just a small cable running into your house.

Coleman: But, how do they put it in? Do they put it in like it should be or does someone just slap it in there? We do things to make sure they are done right.

Fisher: Actually we are regulating the dish type satellite more for aesthetic purposes, than making sure they are put in right. It looks awful when you drive down the street and everyone has those stuck on the front of their house.

Coleman: What do you think Dave, you got a dish, do you think the dish should be penalized?

Daily: I don’t have a dish.

Wagner: We are really not penalizing the dish. All we are doing is ensuring that the dish is not technically installed but that the location is correct.

Coleman: But what about the people that do it themselves?

Wagner: They would have to do it to code.

Fisher: It is not so much about installation, whether it is installed correctly, what we are worried about is how it looks.

Wagner: The location of it.

Fisher: Yes, more for aesthetic purposes, not that you installed it correctly.

Wagner: All the inspector is going to do is walk out there and be sure it is installed in a location that is in compliance with code. He is not going to check to make sure it is installed correctly technically, because he doesn’t know anything about it.

Coleman: Are they going to say anything to the City when they do it or are they just going to put it in?

Fisher: They first have to come and get a permit.

Daily: It is just like anything else, if someone decided to throw up a building and no one complains, hopefully Bob or someone sees it when they are out. That does go on, we can’t catch everything, but legally, per the code, they should come in and get a permit.

One of the things Bob will probably do early on is to get with Radio Shack and Ashworth’s and advise them about the requirements.

Fisher: The main reason we have them get a permit is to cover the cost of Bob to go out and look at them.

Coleman: We talked about to, that in another few years this dish will be small or they won’t even have a dish. Will this thing still be on the books?

Fisher: It can be taken off whenever we want.

Daily: You could put in here, dish type satellites exceeding a certain diameter.

Fisher: We put in the regulations itself that you only had to get a permit if it is over.

Daily: I can see that Ron, that if it gets smaller and so much of a radius that you don’t need anything. Now there is wireless Internet. You are saying that when it gets to that then why should they pay $25 to get one for that small.

Coleman: Yes, it might be sitting on the windowsill. Whatever the Board wants to do. I just brought that up after reading this.

Fisher: A lot of the time they put it in the front yard and then move out and it just sits there.

Wagner: Where in the code do we address that?

Fisher: It is on page 222, “Dish-Type Satellite Signal Receiving Antennas.”

Wagner: it says the maximum diameter of the dish shall not exceed three (3) feet, on (5) (iii). It says the maximum diameter of the dish shall not exceed twelve (12) feet, (6) (a)

(3). That is for commercial.

Fisher: You want it in the back of the structure and you want it mounted securely so if a big wind comes along it doesn’t smash into the neighbor’s window.

Coleman: If the Board thinks it should be $25 than that is okay.

Wagner: You want them to go out and inspect them then yes, but if you are not going to go and inspect them then there shouldn’t be a fee.

Fisher: You will have to inspect them if it is a permit.

Daily: Do we want to put something in there for the future, less than a 12” radius does not require a permit?

Fisher: You might as well take the whole thing out right now, we have maximum of 3’ right now.

Wagner: That is commercial.

Fisher: If it gets so small that it isn’t an issue anymore then Council can take that section out of the code.

Wagner: The old code didn’t address this activity at all?

Fisher: It was called antenna.

Jordan: I don’t see anything wrong with leaving $25. We should have them inspected and make sure there isn’t anything wrong.

Fisher: And that they are anchored. That is the thing we are going to look at. Where are you going to put it, have you anchored it safely to the ground or the building.

Jordan: Do we want to leave it the way it is written?

Wagner: I am okay with the way it is written right now. When it gets to the place it is 6” in diameter and it isn’t an eye sore, then we can take it out.

Fisher: The one thing we didn’t have in fees, as a separate thing, you get a Certificate of Appropriateness, it is set up right now that you still have to get a Certificate of Zoning Compliance, Bob issues it. Do you want to charge a separate fee?

Wagner: Historic District?

Fisher: Yes. On your review Board you will have an architect and other people and if we had to hire out for an architect or something it may defray that cost.

Daily: Why don’t you put something that refers to actual cost? That could vary, if you have to something on structural analysis or something. We don’t want to make money but need to cover the cost.

Wagner: The Historic integrity is only going to address the outside of the structure, right? It isn’t going to address the inside of the structure.

Fisher: Right, it is only going to address the outside.

Wagner: The Certificate of Appropriateness is going to be issued by City Council, right?

Fisher: The Historic Review Board will review it and then it comes to Council for approval.

Wagner: What will our Building Official do on this? Will he go out and actually look at it?

Daily: The whole committee will. It comes to Council and they say it should be this facade and they say it won’t support that and someone says we need an architect to look at it, we wouldn’t want that expense to fall upon the City.

Wagner: The property owner would be responsible to get the architect out there to review structure as opposed to the City.

Fisher: You would want to do like we do for the subdivisions, the basic costs, anything we send out they would be required to pay the cost of that. That is what we did on the subdivisions. You pay a flat application fee for review, but if it is something unusual that the City would have to send out for review.

Jordan: That is fine with me.

Wagner: That is fine with me. What would the established fee be?

Fisher: That is what I am asking. Do you want a flat fee for the Appropriateness?

Wagner: For subdivisions it is $200? I don’t think we want to charge that much.

Geeting: I wouldn’t think so.

Fisher: Construction Plans, Conditional Use Permits, Final Plat Amendment, Accessory Use Permits, Rezoning and Variances are a flat $100. Do you think that would be okay?

Wagner: No, I think $50 would be appropriate.

Jordan: I think so to.

Geeting: Yes.

Daily: We can see how it goes.

Fisher: They are $50 and then additional cost born by the applicant. That was the one fee that we somehow missed. Anything else on 1105?

The one other chapter that was included in there was 1115 on page 237. There was only one change made to this section. On page 295, 1115.13 was added to cover the issuance of Certificates of Appropriateness. It covers the submittal and approval process for the COA’S in the Historic Overlay District. Basically, it mirrors the other sections. If necessary there will be a Pre-application Meeting, the Formal Submittal, the Review, Staff Report before Council, what the Standards are. Does anyone have any issues in that section?

Does anyone have any other issues with 1115?

Those were the first chapters that were covered in this application.

Jordan: Does the Board have anything else?

A motion was made by Harold Geeting to approve Z-05-01 and Ron Coleman seconded it. Motion passed as follows:

Ayes: Coleman, Spencer, Lane, Geeting, Wagner, Jordan (6)

Nays: None

Z-05-02 – Zoning Amendment – Public Hearing – City of Eaton – Chapter 1107 of the new UDO:

Jordan: I will need a motion to remove this from the table.

Wagner: So moved and a second was received from Harold Geeting.

Motion passed.

Fisher: Chapter 1107 is “Districts and Land Use Standards.” On page 42 there had been a mistake that I had made and when it got copied over, when we redid it with the numbering and everything, what had been (c)(d)(e)(f) and (g) should have been subsections of (b).

Did anyone have anything with 1107?

Spencer: Is that true that your letters are off there?

Fisher: Yes, it should be (a)(b) and (c).

Ron Coleman made a motion to approve Z-05-02 and Tim Lane seconded the motion. Motion passed.

Z-05-03 – Zoning Amendment – Public Hearing – City of Eaton – Chapter 1109 of the new UDO:

Jordan: I will need a motion to un-table this application.

Ron Coleman made a motion to un-table the application and Stanley Spencer seconded the motion. The motion passed.

Fisher: In 1109.04 there was some change made in the text of the Overlay Districts.

Basically, I just did some rearranging. I didn’t really change a whole lot of the working, I just rearranged it trying to make it a little easier to follow. I did make two additions, on subsection (c), that section was added to reflect, we talked a lot about when these standards are going to apply and when won’t they. This section was added to reflect how you wanted the applicability to be. “Regulations in this section shall apply to all buildings and structures within the HOD that are at lease (100) years old.” That is what we had set the standard at. The building constructions which are not (100) years old, with any new construction, “the Historic District Review Board may recommend and Council may waive any of the design requirements or standards contained in this section if it finds the proposed changes or new construction meets the general intent.”

If somebody came in and they want to build a new building where the Central House used to be and they bring in their plan and it is going to look almost exactly like the Central House used to. Maybe there are two standards that you feel that you need to waive in order for them to do that, this would allow you to do it. Anything that Council feels they shouldn’t have to apply on any particular one can be waived.

Does anyone have any issues?

Subsection (d) was modified to show that Council is the one to make the decision on the COA’s.

Subsection (e) was added to direct the applicant’s attention to 1115.13 so they know what the process is. You had said that you didn’t care where the process was outlined, I tried to throw it into this section and that made it even harder to follow. I moved it where we have the other processes in 1115 and then just tried to direct the applicant’s attention to it. I can move it to wherever you want.

Did anyone have any issues with the text of 1109?

One other thing you are going to have to do, these maps Joe gave out to you tonight, they will become a part of this Chapter. Of the Overlay Districts, everything but the two Planned Overlay Districts, the PUD’s are really rezoning because they are coming in and you are asking to create an Overlay District now where there really isn’t one. The other Districts are created by Planning Board with the approval by Council. These maps will be placed in the book. The one with the green and red, that is the Wellhead Protection, this was the study that Pantera did, it came right off of the Wellhead Protection Management Manual that the City had done.

Wagner: Most of that protection zone is outside of the corporation limit. The only thing we can really address is what is inside.

Fisher: As Joe and I talked about during this whole thing, as land gets annexed to the City we won’t have to go back and change these maps, they are already in that area. There is two ways, Joe handed out the one with aerial on it, he also done one with just the black and white. We can do it either way.

Geeting: I like this better.

Wagner: Can you put the corporation lines in a different color?

Fisher: I think they prefer pictures.

The one you have, the smaller one with the blue. That is the Flood Plain and he took it right off of the FEMA map. Can we shrink this down so it is just the City?

Ferriell: I can shrink it down but there isn’t too much more shown.

Wagner: I think this is okay we just need to make the corporation line a different color.

Ferriell: This is a different program than the other two. This is through the county.

Daily: I have a legal question. On those maps should we indicate that they are FEMA? That way we are not stating that this is the flood plain, that this is FEMA.

Fisher: That is what we want to do on all of these maps. Planning Board approves the general location of everything and then we put a disclaimer. Even the GIS stuff that Joe uses, that it is based on, comes with a disclaimer. This is as near as we can tell, it may not be perfect and we will double-check everything.

Daily: I think that FEMA map was done in 1982.

Fisher: The one with the red, that is the Telecommunication map. The last one was the Historic District. These will be this size and will go into your book.

Daily: I have a question on boundary. I thought we stopped at Wadsworth Street going South.

Wagner: We did at one time but then we went to Israel Street. The original layout went to Israel Street.

Fisher: Did anyone have any issues with any of the maps? When you approve 1109 you will be approving these as well. They will be part of 1109.

Wagner: When land is annexed into the City, will these maps automatically be changed? Will we get new maps?

Fisher: Yes, Joe will do that.

Daily: This is just information for the Board. We are in the process now of starting to get our maps put into digital format, getting the boundaries updated. We have contracted with Kramer & Associates. They are doing work for Lewisburg and we looked at the work and we were impressed with that. As part of this overall process when the code gets adopted we would like to have all our maps updated and in color and hash marks and bring all of this together.

Fisher: Which is why we never had you dissolve your committee. In case the committee needs to get together again to look at maps.

Jordan: I will throw one thing out in this Historical District. The Historical District is being established to help get these owners Federal Funds and low interest loans, do you think we should throw the Roberts Bridge in there?

Daily: You mean just as a bridge itself?

Jordan: It is just a thought. There has been talk that they are going to refurbish it or that it needs to be refurbished again.

Fisher: When you have a Historic District you can set up a special tax district on top of that. When you do that special tax district and you let the state know, then the people who come in and want to build things and fix things up, they get a terrific tax breaks. If the bridge is in need of that it might not be a bad idea.

Jordan: You are talking about a structure that is 100 years old right there.

Wagner: You are just talking about drawing a yellow line around that square right there?

That would be fine.

Fisher: Can you do that Joe?

Jordan: I hate to pick and choose but that is one area in town that needs to be preserved and have some kind of safety net.

Wagner: I hate to say this, we just outlined the bridge in the Historic District, and you look at the house on the corner of Cherry and Decatur, that was another historic home. If you look at your map, it would be the lot on the southeast corner. Is that historical enough that we need to preserve that in the Historic District or not?

Fisher: I think that if you add certain homes, you are not just putting restrictions on them with the Historic District, you are also opening up the possibility of them getting tax breaks.

Jordan: I think the one across from the High School, it has been added on to and it is not the original now.

Coleman: I think it would be nice if we start seeing residents coming to us saying that they would like their house to be in this.

Jordan: Then they can have Council deal with it.

Fisher: They would come in and apply for rezoning, and want us to change the zoning map.

Gary Wagner makes a motion to recommend the approval of Z-05-03 and it is seconded by Tim Lane. Motion passed.

Z-05-04 – Zoning Amendment – Public Hearing- City of Eaton – Chapters 1111 and 1113 of the new UDO:

Jordan: I need a motion to un-table application Z-05-04, Chapter 1111 and Chapter 1113, and I will need a motion to remove this from the table.

Harold Geeting made a motion to un-table the application and it was seconded by Ron Coleman. Motion passed.

Fisher: Chapter 1111 is “Development Requirements and Standards” and Chapter 1113 is “Use Requirements and Standards.” In these two chapters, the only place a change was made was on page 118, I added the parkland regulations, you wanted to copy what Centerville had, I added that as its own section in “Development Requirements.”

Basically it mirror’s Centerville’s, with the things you wanted to take out or add. It was originally stuck back in 1115, if you recall, under subdivision process, which didn’t make any sense. It is really a development regulation they we’re talking about. I moved it up to that Chapter 1111 so everything would be there in one Chapter and it is easier to follow.

I did add (n) and (o) on page 124, Centerville did not have those. Centerville did have a limitation of use on land and fees saying that the money could not be used for park maintenance and it can only be used to purchase additional parkland. I wasn’t sure if that was necessarily what we wanted so I put that any money we get for that and fees paid go in their own fund, which can be used for acquisition of parkland or for the maintenance, upkeep and operation of existing parks. That money is not just to buy more parkland it can be used to upgrade or maintain or operate what we currently have. I did put operate can include “general operating expenses, including, but not limited to, salaries and wages.” At the Fort, if we wanted to hire one full time caretaker to live out there all the time and his full job would be mowing and weed eating. He could be paid out of that fund.

Daily: Does item (o) allow Council to modify the requirements?

Fisher: (o) is that modification and conditions that we put in almost every other section, particularly the Design Requirements. Notwithstanding any other provision of the section, Council may allow for modifications in the parkland dedications. We try to put that out in there, if anything would come up we have more parkland than we can take care of now.

Daily: Depending on the situation at that time.

Fisher: It may be somebody comes in and they want to do a Residential Conservation District and they say that they are going to put a bike path in and it is back along your property, but it is open for City residents. In that case Council is probably going to want to waive these requirements on that particular property.

Geeting: Give me your explanation on (k) (2), Maximum Credit.

Fisher: I copied that from Centerville’s. The way they have it, somebody comes in and they are going to do a Pheasant Run, a condo, they are putting in a PUD. They say we are going to have this open space. It is going to be private, just for our residents, but we are going to have a park and pool. You can give them some credit for that open space that they are leaving, but say they had to take 10 acres, the way we figured out. They get credit for 5 acres. Under this formula they would get credit for 5 acres, so instead of having to pay for the full 10 acres they would only pay for 5. Unless, under (o) Planning Board and Council waives the requirement entirely.

Geeting: They ought to credit for the whole thing if that is what it calls for.

Fisher: Part of it is that you want them to dedicate land that is going to be of benefit to all the residents of the City, not just their own. Granted you want to give them some credit because they are bringing in these new residents, but the new residents aren’t going to be using just that. Chances are they are going to be down using the baseball diamonds or down at the Water Works, using other City parks. You are asking the Developer to pick up some of the cost that those residents are going to have on the other park. You want to give them credit for at lease some. But, if you ever had a case that comes up, putting (o) in there and you feel that they should get full credit, you can recommend to Council that they give them that.

Wagner: I had a Developer ask me a question the other day and I couldn’t really answer him and I don’t really know if I understand his question. The question was, during the point of application for subdivision and going through all the steps, at no point does he as the Developer get a certificate of approval from any Board. The only thing he gets releasing him from his responsibility is when Council takes dedication of the streets and right of ways and all of the utilities. Then his warranty period starts one (1) year after that. When that one-year is up then his responsibility is over. Is there any point in the process where any of the responsibility is relieved from the developed until that point of dedication?

Jordan: I don’t know why there would be. The Developer should be responsible up to the dedication.

Daily: A lot of times, like on streets, they put that first coat in and there could be a year pass in between that period, the valves are still sticking up and until they put that final coat on and we accept that dedication and the warranty period starts.

Fisher: There is a year warranty when they put the final coat on.

Daily: What was his question?

Wagner: I think his question was, the warranty period starts when Council accepts dedication.

Fisher: No.

Wagner: When does it start?

Fisher: Warranty starts when we say, when we approve his construction.

Daily: When Joe, Greg or Andy says it is okay.

Wagner: I know what his question is. He wonders why we don’t issue a written approval on his development so he knows when the warranty period starts.

Fisher: We should.

Daily: We do.

Wagner: This Developer said he has never received one.

Daily: So much of it happens in bits and pieces. There may be a sewer line and they call and ask if we can come up and inspect it, we are going to inspect that section of sewer but that doesn’t approve his whole section. It is linking and step building. I guess what you are saying is that when everything is done we should say that it is fully accepted.

Wagner: Something like that, so he knows he has done it.

Daily: More often than not that is hard to get out of a Developer because they want to leave a section of sidewalk out. I know the issue, I put in this curb and gutter and I want my time to start now, you may have that in but you don’t have your sidewalk in, so does that mean that you are going to come in later and drive your equipment over the sidewalk and crack it up after we have already accepted it.

Fisher: In the new code, if you look at pages 257, 258 and 259, when they do one of those major subdivisions, starting on page 257, (i) “Development.” You have your plat approved, before you can start beginning any work in that subdivision, you have to bring in the set of Construction Plans showing what type of sewer line, what size, what the man-holes are going to look like, where your manholes are going to be built. Sections, plans, profile, estimates of quantities, we want to see the Construction Plans. You also have to file with that your Guarantee, your bond, or your check that if you don’t finish then the City has that financial guarantee and the City can go in and finish them. Before you can begin construction, those Construction Plans have to be approved. If they make major changes from what was approved on the plat-suddenly there are thirteen (13) lots instead of twelve (12)-they have to come back to Planning Board and Council. If they don’t make any major changes then the City Engineer approves them. They have to make arrangements to get inspections done and then (7) on page 259, once the required public improvements have been installed and inspected, if acceptable to the City and if installed in accordance with this UDO, then we send the Developer notice that we intend to accept your improvements. He then has to forward us those Construction Plans in a format acceptable for recording. He has to record them. We have seen this a lot, you will get a plat and that gets recorded but what they actually do, they have moved the sewer line, they have moved a water line, so five or ten years down the road, Joe needs to go find the sewer line, he goes and looks at the plat and they go out and dig and the line is not there. Under the new one, his Construction Plans have to be recorded as well. We are going to have to accept all of that work before the Construction Plans get recorded.

Wagner: It says in here that the City shall send the Developer notice that it intends to accept the plat.

Fisher: When they put that final coat on, we are going to say that we intend to accept your improvement.

Wagner: Is that something we have never done in the past?

Daily: We have done it.

Fisher: We have never made them record their Construction Plans.

Daily: We sent them a letter telling them when their warranty time would start.

Wagner: Okay, that is all I need.

Daily: I think more often than not we bend over backwards to help them and allow them the time to get in. It is difficult to go out, you would have to have a whole sheet of this section was inspected on this date and warranty starts here, see what I am saying?

Fisher: What we will probably, warranty will start the day that we sign off on the Construction Plan.

Daily: We will make sure the plans match the as built.

Fisher: This is now going to put some burden back on the Developers to make sure they are getting that acceptance from us because Bob is not going to give them a Certificate of Occupancy until they have recorded that Construction Plan. We are going to be getting from them, I put the final coat on and I need you to come and look at it and give me my letter that you intend to accept it so I can get you the Construction Plans so I can get them recorded.

Daily: It is back that if your street signs and stop signs are not in, you don’t want people living there without all of that.

Fisher: I think it will work smoother. It puts the responsibility back on the Developer to make sure we know when they are done.

Geeting: I have a question on page 128. We are talking about seeding and stabilization. I was thinking about up at the YMCA, the storm water basins they have up there, there is nice tall grass growing at the bottom of that. How do you keep that from happening without controlling the size of the basin? Do you make it shallower and larger or do you put in a drainage system in the bottom of it and keep it dry so if you have grass you can mow the whole thing.

Daily: Are you talking detention? We have a similar issue up at Wal-Mart.

Joe: Yes, but they put a concrete bottom there.

Geeting: If you had a concrete bottom you could mow right down to it.

Ferriell: That is what they do up there. What causes that is that it backs up with silt and weeds.

Geeting: It doesn’t really look too good.

Daily: Is that on private property? I guess if it is above eight (8) inches the Property Maintenance Code would take care of it.

Is it taller than that? You say it is an issue now?

Geeting: It doesn’t look good when you go by. They don’t mow the bottom of it so it has grown all up. I know it is wet down there and that is why they don’t mow it.

Daily: What will happen is that there will be a big storm and it will plug up the storm line and there will be a back up.

Someone remind Jackie of that tomorrow and have her take a look at it and send them a notice.

Geeting: I was looking out at Meadowbrook and that detention line along Route #35, they never did sow grass in there, did they?

Jordan: That was a temporary thing, I think.

Geeting: Ten-year temporary. I don’t have anything wrong with what was written here I was just concerned about that.

Jordan: Anything else on 1111? If not we will go on to 1113.

Fisher: I didn’t make any changes from last we talked. I have nothing on that.

Jordan: I don’t have any changes on this chapter, anyone else have anything?

Ron Coleman moved for favorable approval of Z-05-04 and Harold Geeting seconded the motion. Motion passed.

Wagner: Is there suppose to be some illustrations here on the sides? When will that take place?

Fisher: We were supposed to send it back to ACP and they were supposed to do it. If they don’t, Joe and I will do it.

Old business:

New Business:

Ron Coleman made a motion to adjourn and Gary Wagner seconded. Motion passed, meeting adjourned.

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